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	<title>Comments on: Don&#8217;t See &#8220;The Happening.&#8221;</title>
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	<description>One side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil.</description>
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		<title>By: Bobbo</title>
		<link>http://autonomy.blogivists.com/2008/06/18/dont-see-the-happening/#comment-653</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There’s a certain degree of absurdity in the environmental movement (that’s an understatement), so I would have to agree with you there. However, I think the fundamental purpose of environmentalism is to show that the environment does much more than merely serve HUMAN needs. THIS is where I disagree with you. Overall, interesting post. 

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Actually from the secular progressive/radical leftist/traitor to humanity point of view...  With evolution being random with no purpose, therefore this biosphere serves no purpose, it is all random.  Nobody would shed a tear if we nuked bacteria off the face of this randomly formed planet, since both the tear and sad emotions are just randomly generated electro-chemically induced brain emotions.

Under their system of morality environmentalist have no soul, no God, no afterlife, they have no precondition right to life.  They should be careful what ground to tread on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=9fc21125c923d027bfbae68cff2a4b05&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />There’s a certain degree of absurdity in the environmental movement (that’s an understatement), so I would have to agree with you there. However, I think the fundamental purpose of environmentalism is to show that the environment does much more than merely serve HUMAN needs. THIS is where I disagree with you. Overall, interesting post. </p>
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<p>Actually from the secular progressive/radical leftist/traitor to humanity point of view&#8230;  With evolution being random with no purpose, therefore this biosphere serves no purpose, it is all random.  Nobody would shed a tear if we nuked bacteria off the face of this randomly formed planet, since both the tear and sad emotions are just randomly generated electro-chemically induced brain emotions.</p>
<p>Under their system of morality environmentalist have no soul, no God, no afterlife, they have no precondition right to life.  They should be careful what ground to tread on.
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		<title>By: Bobbo</title>
		<link>http://autonomy.blogivists.com/2008/06/18/dont-see-the-happening/#comment-651</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bill. I just saw that forgettable “The Happening” last night. Halfway through, I knew there was the undertones of environmental guilt when they showed the cooling towers of a nuclear plant as a backdrop of the Pennsylvania countryside.

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lol, ya think?  

Last half of the movie was ruined for me at that point.  The symbolism was pretty thick, the greenhouse, gabby cross eyed hippie talking about how smart plants are, and the power plant cooling towers in the background.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=9fc21125c923d027bfbae68cff2a4b05&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Hi Bill. I just saw that forgettable “The Happening” last night. Halfway through, I knew there was the undertones of environmental guilt when they showed the cooling towers of a nuclear plant as a backdrop of the Pennsylvania countryside.</p>
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<p>lol, ya think?  </p>
<p>Last half of the movie was ruined for me at that point.  The symbolism was pretty thick, the greenhouse, gabby cross eyed hippie talking about how smart plants are, and the power plant cooling towers in the background.
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		<title>By: Bobbo</title>
		<link>http://autonomy.blogivists.com/2008/06/18/dont-see-the-happening/#comment-650</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know on the morning of 9-11 I thought it was eco-terrorists.  You know, World Trade Center, Pentagon, Carbon Dioxide.  Eh Eh Eh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=9fc21125c923d027bfbae68cff2a4b05&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />You know on the morning of 9-11 I thought it was eco-terrorists.  You know, World Trade Center, Pentagon, Carbon Dioxide.  Eh Eh Eh.
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		<title>By: LloydChiro</title>
		<link>http://autonomy.blogivists.com/2008/06/18/dont-see-the-happening/#comment-611</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bill.  I just saw that forgettable "The Happening" last night. Halfway through, I knew there was the undertones of environmental guilt when they showed the cooling towers of a nuclear plant as a backdrop of the Pennsylvania countryside.  

Oh, I get it.  The vegetation is getting back at the humans for being so destructive.  They've had it, and they're doing the only thing they can do to make it stop--kill humans with a natural neurotoxin.  You see?  Do you see the wisdom of the earth and how it eventually wins in some unforeseen twist?  Do you see how guilty you must be?  Do you see that you should do what you can to not make an "impact?"  

To top off the guilt:  The characters run and hide to find sanctuary in a new McMansion.  If I were them, I would stay there until the whole thing blows over.  It probably has the best air filtration system.  

Todd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=f8adaf4ee16d097bfc4f502a995162b0&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Hi Bill.  I just saw that forgettable &#8220;The Happening&#8221; last night. Halfway through, I knew there was the undertones of environmental guilt when they showed the cooling towers of a nuclear plant as a backdrop of the Pennsylvania countryside.  </p>
<p>Oh, I get it.  The vegetation is getting back at the humans for being so destructive.  They&#8217;ve had it, and they&#8217;re doing the only thing they can do to make it stop&#8211;kill humans with a natural neurotoxin.  You see?  Do you see the wisdom of the earth and how it eventually wins in some unforeseen twist?  Do you see how guilty you must be?  Do you see that you should do what you can to not make an &#8220;impact?&#8221;  </p>
<p>To top off the guilt:  The characters run and hide to find sanctuary in a new McMansion.  If I were them, I would stay there until the whole thing blows over.  It probably has the best air filtration system.  </p>
<p>Todd.
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		<title>By: Wildbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wildbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>make HIPPIES and TREE HUGGERS extinct make the GREENS extinct and screw PAUL EHRLICH</description>
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		<title>By: Nathaniel</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to add 2 additional points.

Point 1:
I think that it is easy to see humans can do great damage via pollution, even if you don’t think global warming is happening (and I feel odds are that it is these days) there is still the toxic pollution that has been added to rivers, lakes, and some pieces of land that has a detrimental effect of plant and animal life in that area. So we do cause pollution and it does cause harm.
Does that last point mean that life/from Earth would be better without us? I argue no. Not only are we part of life on/from Earth but if we are able to limit the damage we do to various ecosystems around the world so they do not collapse then we provide means by which life on Earth will become life from Earth and those have the potential to survive past the point (in about 5 billion years from now-so keep paying your mortgage) when the sun expands and most things remaining on Earth get cooked. While humanity should learn how not to damage other forms of life on Earth and should actively work to avoid harm now, we are the only species likely to currently enable space travel and thus create the ability to evacuate the planet when such an evacuation becomes necessary to sustaining most of the life on/from Earth (not just us).
Thus calling for human extinction actually removes a potential boon to the survival of Earth’s various life-forms.


Point 2:

I would argue the harm via pollution that humans cause is mainly not do to the number of humans but to the manner we go about economic development. Global Warming is caused by greenhouse gasses. This are released by the burning of fossil fuels. If not for the latter the former would not be a problem. Also look at China, it has a great deal of problems relating to both air and water quality because of the many emissions (some of which are quite toxic) put into each. China's emissions problem (touching on fossil fuels again) has grown worse after it started its population control program. This is because of the fact that there is no stable ratio between the amount of humans and amount of emissions, factories, cars, coal powers plants, and so on. China jumped ahead of the USA in CO2 emissions not by a population boost but through rapid and reckless economic development in which consideration of the environment was not an issue. Thus focusing on economic systems systems to be the logical way to prevent pollution and environmental damage.

Note: Population control does not involve counting and limiting the amount of emissions-only the number of humans. This is why it actually fails to serve as effective protection for the environment.</description>
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<p>Point 1:<br />
I think that it is easy to see humans can do great damage via pollution, even if you don’t think global warming is happening (and I feel odds are that it is these days) there is still the toxic pollution that has been added to rivers, lakes, and some pieces of land that has a detrimental effect of plant and animal life in that area. So we do cause pollution and it does cause harm.<br />
Does that last point mean that life/from Earth would be better without us? I argue no. Not only are we part of life on/from Earth but if we are able to limit the damage we do to various ecosystems around the world so they do not collapse then we provide means by which life on Earth will become life from Earth and those have the potential to survive past the point (in about 5 billion years from now-so keep paying your mortgage) when the sun expands and most things remaining on Earth get cooked. While humanity should learn how not to damage other forms of life on Earth and should actively work to avoid harm now, we are the only species likely to currently enable space travel and thus create the ability to evacuate the planet when such an evacuation becomes necessary to sustaining most of the life on/from Earth (not just us).<br />
Thus calling for human extinction actually removes a potential boon to the survival of Earth’s various life-forms.</p>
<p>Point 2:</p>
<p>I would argue the harm via pollution that humans cause is mainly not do to the number of humans but to the manner we go about economic development. Global Warming is caused by greenhouse gasses. This are released by the burning of fossil fuels. If not for the latter the former would not be a problem. Also look at China, it has a great deal of problems relating to both air and water quality because of the many emissions (some of which are quite toxic) put into each. China&#8217;s emissions problem (touching on fossil fuels again) has grown worse after it started its population control program. This is because of the fact that there is no stable ratio between the amount of humans and amount of emissions, factories, cars, coal powers plants, and so on. China jumped ahead of the USA in CO2 emissions not by a population boost but through rapid and reckless economic development in which consideration of the environment was not an issue. Thus focusing on economic systems systems to be the logical way to prevent pollution and environmental damage.</p>
<p>Note: Population control does not involve counting and limiting the amount of emissions-only the number of humans. This is why it actually fails to serve as effective protection for the environment.
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		<title>By: Don’t See “The Happening.”</title>
		<link>http://autonomy.blogivists.com/2008/06/18/dont-see-the-happening/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Don’t See “The Happening.”</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Don’t See “The Happening.”  EXTREMISM IN DEFENSE OF LIBERTY calls M. Night Shyamalan's latest film, The Happening, "a piece of crass, anti-humanist environmentalist propaganda".     No Comments, Comment or Ping [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; Senator Herb Kohl Wants to Have His Cake and Eat It (and Your Children) Too Extremism in Defense of Liberty</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Senator Herb Kohl Wants to Have His Cake and Eat It (and Your Children) Too Extremism in Defense of Liberty</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Nicky Cheese &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;The Day After Tommorrow&#8230;with plants&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicky Cheese &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;The Day After Tommorrow&#8230;with plants&#8221;</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Don&#8217;t See &#8220;The Happening&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don&#8217;t See &#8220;The Happening&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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